When I get different strings on it, I think I'm going to love it!
I'm going to need a carved oval hole to replace the KO I sold, though
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MandoSquirrel |
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They messed up the shipping address, so my Cascade sat around the UPS warehouse from the 15th to the 17th, when I went down to UPS & picked it up.
When I get different strings on it, I think I'm going to love it! I'm going to need a carved oval hole to replace the KO I sold, though !
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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Michael Tognetti |
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Glad to hear that you got it and that you are up for air from playing!
Other than your new need for a carved oval (I think that you need a nice Olympic to pair it up with) how are you liking the tone and feel? --Michael
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MandoSquirrel |
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I think the strings on it are too light and, as some sort of bronze or brass, too bright for a Breedlove.
Otherwise, it feels great, sounds F hole great; I think it has harmonics that the KO didn't, looks great, except for the strap button placement on the hump, instead of where Breedlove says on the neck heel.
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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Michael Tognetti |
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What are your plans for strings? Do you think you are going to revert to the EXP74's? That is/was the standard for these as they come out of the factory. I
think that they are ok, but have always had an issue with the "break-in" period, usually a week for me with my playing/practice schedule. Earlier
this year, I changed my OO to T1s and my OF to the JazzMando flatwounds--they were nice but... Now I use T1s on both. I love the sound and the feel.
I remember that when I was considering my OO, I asked (on the Cafe) what the tonal differences would be between the oval and the f holes--as a matter of fact I think that you replied--and you all were so right about the differences. I love them both, if they had the same finish, I would call them bookends, but now I refer to them as twins separated for a time and now together again. Apparently whoever added the strap button did not look to the Breedlove site for the directions on where it should be placed. I imagine that it is ok structurally though. --Michael
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MacNichol |
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MandoSquirrel wrote: Odd. Apparently Kim Breedlove is training a new apprentice on mandolins and I wonder whether the new apprentice put it in the wrong area. Can you please post some pics? Also, please let us know what you think of the different placement as far as strap comfort goes. The Quartz does not come standard with a strap button, but I recently started ordering all of mine with one, and if for some reason you like the placement of yours, maybe I'll start requesting the "MandoSquirrel Button" upgrade. |
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MandoSquirrel |
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MacNichol , I think the button looks wierd on the hump, & thought it
would be positioned wrong for hanging over the left shoulder, but it seems to be working okay. I don't think I'd order it this way, but it's not
horrible,"doesn't suck".
You can see the placement in the upper left & lower right of this collage from the seller; I haven't tried to do any pics yet.
Michael Tognetti , I had been using TI's on the KO, but they went up since the last time I ordered them , so the last time I
bought strings, I got JazzMando's, but I let the buyer of the KO have the extra set .
I'm going to try a set of Dogal Calace RW92 carbonsteel; someone was selling them on the Cafe, & I figured it was my chance to try them. What I Really want to try is Fisoma Supersolos which seem to be available only from Saiten Katalog , in Germany. Alison Stephens say's on her resource page, "I discovered them whilst experimenting with flatwound A's as an alternative to Tomastik. The A's although flatwound, were so bright and full of tone that I immediately ordered the rest of the set. The D's and G's are equally bright (for flatwound strings). They are a little less bright than the polished Optima that I have been using but there are so many plus points. They are smooth as anything under fingers and therefore give very little "mechanism" sound from either the fingers or the pick. They are ready for reliable playing and hardly need tuning within about 1 hour's playing! They seem to be fairly long lasting although I have only used them for a few months during which time I have either been recording or practising for a Calace CD - so they've really been put through their paces! I think they are just wonderful and this is a girl who never ever thought she'd ever use an entire set of flatwound strings!" Shipping is kind of steep outside Europe, though, making the price about as bad as TI. I don't expect to try any bronze strings on this, though before I tried the ones on it, I was open to the possibility. I have D'Add PB's & GHS 80/20's I could have put on by now, but no point in wasting them. Olympic would be nice; I've been watching some Columbia's. Also Gibson A's & Vega cylinder backs. GrimmPickins comments about his Cascade being close to the Vega CB sound influenced my decision to try a Cascade.
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT.
Last Edited By: MandoSquirrel July 25, 2008 13:58:09.
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Michael Tognetti |
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Great information on the strings. I know what you mean about prices rising, they have gone up since my last order (TIs) too. But they do seem to last a good long time and stay settled. I think for now I will stick with them. The other strings you mentioned do have appeal and I will keep them in mind. My new Labraid (coming soon) will be sporting the GHS 80/20s (lights I believe) so I will be able to give them an evaluation as well. Congratulations again on gaining such a beautiful Cascade. I wish you many years playing and enjoyment. --Michael
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I've been using GHS A250's(I think that's the one) on "Victoria" for the last couple of months; the guages seem to work well, & she
doesn't seem to need the chrome steel flatwound sound; I like them fine on her. A lot easier on the bank account, too.
I used to use GHS PF 270's on my Gibson's(A 2 & A 50), & liked them fine, they just sound too bright on the Breed's.
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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MandoSquirrel |
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The Dogal Calace RW92 carbonsteel's came today, so I just finished installing them, tweaking the intonation(bridge position), & trying some
crosspicking from Jack Tottle's "Bluegrass Mandolin" book. the verdict?
A much better instrument than it was last night, & it was pretty good then! I could hear(& feel) the potential in it, but it seemed a bit weak(esp. the 'E'), the strings felt flimsy, & just a tad bright. The strings wouldn't stay in tune quite as well as I've been accustomed to with TI's on the KO. I think I'm hearing what I knew was there, now. Action is low, & feels good; the sound is big & full. I was concerned that the Premiere series wouldn't be a big enough improvement from the Quartz, but after playing a bit, I knew it would be with the right strings. I have some Thomastick- Infelds on the way, but these will do the job for now. This is a GOOD mandolin, I'm happy!
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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MandoSquirrel |
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I've been thinking about posting an update since the beginning of August, but now I guess I'm doing it.
First Sunday's there's a "Mostly Bluegrass & More Concert & Pick In". I went the first Sunday in August, after missing a few months. After a couple of acts, I took the Cascade out to the picking.After a comment or two about my strap, then about the body style, & about the wraps on the string ends, it ended up getting favorable reviews for sound, & a guy who plays mandolin, & sometimes others, for a bunch of the acts there, said it sounded good, looked good, played well(I handed it to him to try) & for what it's worth, that I played it well(I got by, nothing great). So, I was happy with our first outing( I had no trouble hearing my mando with a banjo pointed at me, either!), & may have a buyer(the mando &utility guy) for my mandola. The Dogal strings sound good, & play well, but I don't think they're holding tuning as well as I've been used to with the TI's, though that may mean the nut or saddle slots need attention, rather than faulty strings; they're not that bad. I'd try them again, but I prefer the flatwound feel(& flatwound second strings). I have a couple sets of TI's waiting, but I'm trying to wear these out, first. I picked up a Washburn bowl back(circa 1906-1907) from the Post Office Thursday & put on a slightly used set of ultra lights. The outside fourth string kept popping out of it's bridge slot, but yesterday(Saturday) that was fixed in a minute's time. Now I 've realized the first string is dead at the tenth fret, so I guess it needs some attention to the action, somewhere. All the other frets & strings seem fine, but that one really shot down my enthusiasm. Over all, though, I like it, & I was surprised how easy it is to hold the bowl back. It also seems to put my right hand into more the position recommended in my manuals from the early 20th century. Interesting that I got the ultra light strings a while back for Victoria, with about the same scale , top construction, & almost as old, but they were too flimsy on her, yet they feel right on "Burnsie".
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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Michael Tognetti |
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Your outing with the Cascade sounds like a total success, both for you as well as others getting to hear (and play) your newest member.
Thanks for the update on the strings as well as sharing your latest acquisition of a early Washburn bowlback. I too have an early bowlback (c1900) made by Washburn (possibly), although there are now cracks or splits, I found that when I tightened the strings, the top is collapsed. This is probably due to someone not (consisitently) using the correct strings and the 100 or so years of time, so it is my designated decoration. |
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The bowlheads at Mandolin Cafe recommend nothing heavier than the GHS A240(I think that's the code) ultra light Classical strings, so I didn't want to
try anything heavier. I suspect many will wreck these with Bluegrass gauges made for carved tops, but these aren't that sturdy.
At least this one's mostly playable, & was a bargain price. Someday I'll have to look into getting that 10th fret problem taken care of, though .
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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MandoSquirrel |
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Today that tenth fret problem doesn't seem so bad; maybe I didn't have an ideal playing position before? Probably will still need attention someday. My
GHS A240 strings came today; putting them on may be a good project for Tropical Storm/Hurricane Fay.
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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Michael Tognetti |
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That's good to hear that the 10th fret issue is resolving. Do you think that new strings will help more? Good Luck changing them while all the hatches are
battened down.
Thankfully, I heard that the storm sort of limped (for a storm that is) in this morning. Here's to all of our friends in Florida who are/were affected--I hope the damage was minimal at worst. |
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MandoSquirrel |
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Fay came in about 30 or a bit more miles south of me, is now northeast of me, & is apparently heading northeast through Florida now. Probably passed pretty
much right over here, but I was asleep & missed it. Still raining fairly heavy.
Haven't done the strings yet, checked the weather, checked the e-mail & here, & had some oatmeal. "Do you think that new strings will help more?" Different strings may make a difference. Different brands may have different tensions; new as opposed to slightly used,etc.The ones I put on were Black Diamonds with a .095 first, while the GHS have a .09, so it seems they should be looser & therefore make it worse, but maybe not; you never know how strings will work until you try them.
Mandolins;
Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; cheap Romanian Mandola; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(currently untunable, after "repair"attempt ). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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