New chinese 12 string, $104
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evan |
New chinese 12 string, $104 |
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This is going to irk some of you, actually, it sort of irks me. For the past 7 or 8 years I've been keeping an eye on Chinese guitars--I figured that
eventually they were going to do the Japanese thing--start producing guitars that were really nice. My first Chinese guitar was a Chet Atkins want-a-be. It was
truely terrible and unplayable--it was exactly what I paid for. And then I bought a Sojing, a silent nylon string guitar, one of the worst guitars I've
even fondled. And then a Morelli, which turned out to be a Sojing with a new name--it was better, but not much. And then I hit Bingo--a Sunlite GC100NCE--nylon
string, 14 frets to the body, truss rod, cut-a-way, solid spruce top, with electronics and built in tuner, very clean and beatiful, with case, for $400.00.
This guitar is not on Sunlite"s website and I suspect that it is a reverse-engineed instrument from some top of the line maker, like Breedlove, Taylor, or
Martin. In any event, the guitar is remarkble. The intonation is perfect (rare in a nylon string guitar), the action is nice and low, and the projection and
tonal qualities are superb. Every once in a while I get a hankering for a 12 string, but I am on a particularly tight budget right now, so I started cruising
Ebay. And there it was. A 12 string, 14 frets to the body, cut-a-way, solid spruce top, electronics, truss rod--for a minimum bid of $104, $16 shipping. The
guitar has no name, and is only identified by serial number and a "made in China" lable. On ebay it is billed as a "Professional Player."I
ordered it and I am suprised and a bit depressed. The guitar is good looking, tuned right up, plays like dream. I've discovered, again, that I really
don't like 12 string guitars, but once in a while I have to get them out of my system. As I've played this 12 string, I've had to wonder how anyone
could compete with its quality and price. The Sunlite guitar did not stop me from buying other American guitars, like my Breedlove, but it makes me realize
that we need to develop a level playing field if we are going to compete with Chinese goods. Maybe what we should do is not import any item that does not pay a
fair wage and benifits to its labor base? Or maybe we should be taxing imported goods at a higher rate? I'm rambling here, thinking out loud. Hope I
haven't bored anyone. But, If you are looking for a cheap but playable 12 string, get yourself to Ebay. And think about how we are to survive in the face
of such steep competition. Evan
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Fingerpicker |
So Evan... | #1 | ||
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...if you don't really care for twelve stringers after all...do you want to sell it? I'm interested. Let me know. We love twelves here and well would love to have a go at it. And what you say doesn't irk (one of my favorite words by the way) me one bit. It is just the way things are and always will be. "You can't get a cup of tea big enough or a book long enough to suit me." ~ C.S. Lewis |
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evan |
the chinese are coming | #2 | ||
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Yes, I'll be selling the 12 string--to one of my friends, or to one of the kids in the village.
If you want one, go to Ebay, look up 12 string guitar, in the first or second page of listings, you will find the professional player, with a suggested bid of $104, $16 shipping. If you look at the pictures in the listing you can see the made in China lable, through the soundhole. No one here can believe the quality of this instrument. However, we can't know how the guitar will hold up. I took apart one Chinese guitar and found that once the purfling was gone the fret board was plywood--the veneer was nice, but you have to wonder how long it would last. Anyway, I don't see it as the way it's always been, in part because markets used to be protected. I think about the boutique guitar maker who has spent a fortune in time and life only to have someone copy his work and put out something that sells for a fraction of the original cost. Something is not right. But I have to admit, my Sunlite is one of the finest nylon string guitars I have ever played. It is probably a reverse-engineered instrument, and I have bought a stolen design, but I bought it, in part, because I could not afford the original boutique guitar used as a pattern. Maybe you're right, it is the way of things. |
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Tele |
Heres a beauty........................... | #3 | ||
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209.00 dollars. I've seen everything now.
When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, "I used everything you gave me." |
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ragtime man |
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Tele wrote: Do you have to have a multiple personality to play this? ragtime man |
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NealP |
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If that were a playable guitar, it would be cool. I'm just assuming that it's not for under 1000. Can't be, but I've been wrong so many times
in my life...
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Fingerpicker |
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NealP wrote: I'm just assuming that it's not for under 1000. Can't be... What about Esteban's? "You can't get a cup of tea big enough or a book long enough to suit me." ~ C.S. Lewis |
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NealP |
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Esteban- different story, those will be for the collector of course, and fetching Martinesque prices. If you know a little string theory, you'll see the
validity of this statement.
I see the price is 209 for that wooden object above. Oh yeah... |
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MandoSquirrel |
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It's a steal!
Elrod's :
Mandolins; Breedlove Cascade; Victoria, B&J New York ; Washburn 215 bowl back, cr.1906-07; Flatiron by Gibson pancake(in hospital for neck surgery). Guitar: Guild D-25NT. |
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Fingerpicker |
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NealP wrote:Esteban- different story, those will be for the collector of course, and fetching Martinesque prices. Well I am glad I bought the last 16 of em like the nice lady on the phone suggested. <grin> "You can't get a cup of tea big enough or a book long enough to suit me." ~ C.S. Lewis |
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NealP |
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Fingerpicker wrote: Make sure you save those 16 for the grandkids. Storage won't be a problem, in a few years you should be able to fit them into a few large suitcases. Those QVC ladies are the best, eh? |
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Fingerpicker |
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NealP wrote:Fingerpicker wrote:Those QVC ladies are the best, eh?NealP wrote:Esteban- different story, those will be for the collector of course, and fetching Martinesque prices. Well the QVC ladies must be good based on how much product they move. I can honestly say that I have never actually ordered anything off of a TV spot. But Tommie and I have a brother who is notorious for buying things off of late nite TV. In fact he has two Estebans and he doesn't even play the guit. Last time me and Tommie were there we tried to play em. Couldn't because we couldn't get em in tune. Adjectives that came to mind that afternoon were icky, nasty, strange, wierd...well you get the idea and they smell really funky to boot. "You can't get a cup of tea big enough or a book long enough to suit me." ~ C.S. Lewis |
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NealP |
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Just as I thought, they need to be "seasoned" before you can actually tune them.
Getting back to the Chinese though, they most certainly do make some excellent stuff there. A few come to mind, Masterbilt (Epiphone), Kentucky mandolins (KM-1000) Guild GAD series, Jade Mandolins, haven't played one, but would consider purchase. Loar 6-700 series mandolins and guitars, Eastman... lots of great stuff outta China. Breedlove should think about China. |
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